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Yet Another Warlock

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Okay, so people love the Warlock. Clearly. I can't count the variants I've seen here (that's a lie, I've seen 4 that I know of: Kaelik*2, Frank, CeilingCat). People want it to be playable, and there are many ideas as to how it should work. The worst idea naturally belongs to WotC, anyone surprised? Don't worry, I'm sure Paizo will cock it up soon enough.

So I figured I'd do something really easy and make another class. Yes, I'm doing my attempt at the Warlock. But first, we need to think about what the Warlock is and does:
The Warlock has Evil-themed powers. Some are specifically linked to Lower Planes and Evil Outsiders, others are just all spooky or "We think this should be evil". The Warlock is often feared by mortal men and assumed to be evil, whether or not this is true. The Warlock does in fact get his or her power from the Lower Planes, whether by infernal contract, accident, being born in an Evil place, grandpappy being a Glabrezu or whatever. Sometimes, people seriously steal the powers of evil from evil, using them for good.

Often, Celestials have a problem with Warlocks, as do many forces of Good. Because often they are seriously servants of darkness. Many won't bother checking and will just make that assumption.

When a Warlock is slain, it's basically assured that they are going to a Lower Plane. If they are Good, this is going to be a problem, as they will suffer the punishments of being Good in Hell - unless they are so successful that they kick the shit out of the residents there and rule the place as an angry dead/Outsider Warlock, or are great enough that Upper Planes intervene on their behalf. If they are Evil, this is not going to be a problem - as they are more successful, they are given greater responsibilities (Evil tasks), but greater powers to fulfil these duties with. They then get greater rewards, so if a high-level evil Warlock dies, he goes straight to a castle built out of cocaine, with gold-plated prostitutes and fur-coated sports cars.

Their role in the game: firstly, they spam Eldritch Blast willy-nilly, going Pew Pew Pew as a sort of "at least I can do almost-automatic damage" thing at low levels. And that's okay. As they gain levels, their Blast is augmented to actually be useful in various situations, but is not the ultimate go-to option. But seeing as they get a new SLA every single level, this isn't actually a problem.
THE WARLOCK

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Alignment: most are Evil, but it's really up to the individual.
Hit Dice: 1d10
BAB: +3/4 (as Cleric)
Good Saving Throws: Fort and Ref
Skill Points: 6+Int

Class Skills: Appraise, Balance, Bluff, Concentration, Craft, Decipher Script, Diplomacy, Disguise, Escape Artist, Forgery, Gather Information, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge (Any), Listen, Perform (Any), Ride, Spot, Abuse Magic Device.

Proficiencies: Light and Medium Armour, no Shields, Simple Weapons and any three other weapons of choice, even really obscure Exotic ones.
LevelSpecialWarlock Paths Gained/Upgraded
01Eldritch Blast, Magic Fingers IGain Eldritch
02Condemned Flesh, Magic Eyes IGain Eldritch
03Cloak of Darkness, Magic Eyes IIGain Eldritch
04Magic Fingers IIGain Eldritch
05Attuned to DespairUpgrade Eldritch
06Spooky WingsUpgrade Eldritch
07Shroud of DarknessUpgrade Eldritch
08Soul EaterUpgrade Eldritch
09Magic Fingers IIIGain Dark
10ShadowstepGain Dark
11Made For RuinGain Dark
12ShadowstrideGain Dark
13Defiled HaloUpgrade Dark
14Violent WingsUpgrade Dark
15Magic Eyes IIIUpgrade Dark
16Chosen By DarknessUpgrade Dark
17Magic ToesGain Fell
18ShadowdanceGain Fell
19Blight on the LandsGain Fell
20Fiendish OverlordGain Fell

Warlock Paths (Ex): as Warlocks gain power, they are introduced to new forms of evil or spooky magic that they use to make other people unhappy. Every level for the first four levels, the Warlock gains access to a single Eldritch Path, gaining an At-Will use of a Spell-Like Ability and an always-on benefit.

Each level from five to eight, one of the Eldritch Paths is upgraded, granting another, higher-level Spell-Like Ability (at will) and another benefit - an alteration to her Eldritch Blast. Only one alteration may be used at a time, however.

Levels nine to sixteen work the same way, except gaining and then upgrading four different Dark Paths. Finally, each level starting at seventeen, the Warlock gains access to a Fell Path.

Eldritch Blast (Su): the most basic ability of the Warlock is that of the Eldritch Blast, hurling waves of baleful energy at people they don't like. With a Standard action, the Warlock makes a Ranged Touch Attack. When it hits, this deals 1d6 Untyped Magic damage per level plus her Charisma modifier. People struck by this radiate an [Evil] aura as though they were an Evil Cleric of the Warlock's level, for one hour.

Magic Fingers I (Su): the Warlock is innately attuned to magical items, able to just use them because she feels like it. She may treat all Sorcerer/Wizard, Cleric and Evil Domain spells as being on her class list for the purposes of activating magic items, and may take 10 on Abuse Magic Device checks.

Magic Eyes I (Su):

Condemned Flesh (Ex):

Cloak of Darkness (Su):

Magic Eyes II (Su):

Magic Fingers II (Su):

Attuned to Despair (Ex):

Spooky Wings (Su):

Shroud of Darkness (Su):

Soul Eater (Ex):

Magic Fingers III (Su):

Shadowstep (Sp):

Made For Ruin (Ex):

Shadowstride (Sp):

Defiled Halo (Su):

Violent Wings (Su):

Magic Eyes III (Su):

Chosen By Darkness (Ex):

Magic Toes (Su):

Shadowdance (Sp):

Blight on the Lands (Su):

Fiendish Overlord (Ex):
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And the Warlock Paths go here
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How does this represent conceptually or mechanically any different space than Ceiling Cat or Conduit of the Lower Planes?
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Firstly, abilities that are flat-out needed are not going to be presented as options, they are just given to the Warlock (See Invisibility, Flight).

Secondly, unlike the Spheres, the Paths are basically going to be "Get one SLA at will and some form of always-on benefit, then (with the exception of Fell Paths) later gain another SLA at will and another benefit (usually an optional Eldritch Blast modifier)", meaning less individual SLAs overall, a bit more flexibility with and reliance on the Blast, and the SLAs are generally going to be combat powers that benefit from being at-will.

Thirdly, I'm keeping certain aspects of the "You're great with magic items!" that WotC went with - this Warlock will be chewing through wands (and keeping the level limit on wands, it's okay that they're rapid-firing them later on).

But yes, I did keep in mind that with so many Warlocks out there it helps if it actually fits some kind of space that the others don't. Is it enough? I don't know.
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So in other words, it's identical conceptually, and mechanically, it's exactly like Ceiling Cat's just much much stronger.
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I felt the difference was enough - CeilingCat's Blast being a direct damage thing, getting Monster/Fiend/Necromantic feat options, losing the magic item angle, having way more SLAs and all that.

But you'd know better than me, on that. No deal, I can just spend the time on something else by deferring to your knowledge here. Thanks for clearing that up before I had typed up all the ability descriptions and stuff.
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Depending on how these eldritch upgrades work, it seems to be heading in the direction of the Tome of Magic Shadowcaster. Warning: that class was incredibly complicated for very little gain.

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Koumei wrote:I felt the difference was enough - CeilingCat's Blast being a direct damage thing, getting Monster/Fiend/Necromantic feat options, losing the magic item angle, having way more SLAs and all that.
Ceiling Cat's Warlock has fewer SLAs than yours would have.

Even if we don't count the many different things that the Eldritch Blast might have ended up doing as SLAs, you still have more.

First off, you are giving at will SLAs at a rate of one per level. That means that a Warlock has to have two Expert Spheres to even equal the number of SLAs.

It gets this at level 15. The last level of the Warlock class. Your has straight up more SLAs at every level the class exists.

Secondly, your Warlock apparently would also have gained more SLAs just by existing, that didn't count against the one per level, IE, invis/flight/utility, the thing that the Warlock can mostly never get, which is good, because giving those to people who can already use level appropriate spell attacks at will is even more of a balance concern. Especially because your standard approach to balance is to say "Well, Warlocks get more stuff than classes X, Y, and Z. But get it later. I'll just give them all the stuff at the earliest possible level." I mean, you write an infinite spells per day Wizard class every third week.

And I have no idea what system you intended to use for SLAs, but probably something like "Pick any you want from a huge list." So in addition to more SLAs than a CCWarlock, you also would have given them more variety, since choosing the breathtakingly awesome Finger Darts doesn't saddle you with the lackluster Blade of Fear and Pain.
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Post by Temji »

good morning,

I've just found these forums... and from MY point of view any new ideas about warlock are worth seeing... so it's a shame you didn't finish... I'd be happy to get your finished product via email, OR to see you finish on the board...

thanks so much,

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Post by Koumei »

Nah, I dropped that one and let it rot. It was vaguely going to be a sort of "gain chains of abilities" thing where you could go from making darkness to making choking darkness to making utter darkness filled with bat swarms to making very large areas of solid choking darkness filled with vampire bat swarms or something, with some Bayonetta mixed in.

If you want a decent Warlock, there are plenty of options, whether you go for Ceilingcat's Warlock (Spherelock), Kaelik's Shadowcaster (which does the blasting thing and "spooky shadows" aspect), Frank's Fire Mage (which does the pew pew pew thing) or even the Tome of Fiends class, Conduit of the Lower Planes.
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